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 Post subject: Timp Rolls
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:57 pm 
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Has anyone been able to trigger the two Timp sounds- normal hits and rolls? ASO Timp shows D0 for rolls and C0 for hits. I have tried setting OV's "tr" to those keyswitches, as well as D1, and D-1. Nothing gets triggered, unless I manually change it on the virtual keyboard in kontakt.
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 Post subject: Re: Timp Rolls
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:01 pm 
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Aha! I can get it to work if I use the 3 slashes, as you would use for tremolo in bowing. But this is incorrect notation. "tr" is correct.
I believe this was mentioned by others but I just now ran across it using ASO.


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 Post subject: Re: Timp Rolls
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:18 pm 
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Hi Pete. Check my settings (in Overture), library instrument selection (ASO), and also settings in Kontakt. Either method of notating a trill is correct AFAIK.

Edit: I meant tremolo (or roll).


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 Post subject: Re: Timp Rolls
PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:52 am 
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Merv,
In your score there are no keyswitches selected when I open the trill edit box, yet I hear it rolling correctly. I don't see how it can produce the roll without a keyswitch... Why is it working?


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 Post subject: Re: Timp Rolls
PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:45 am 
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In ASO I use the ’09_Timpani Hits and Rolls’ sample which has no provision for keyswitching yet works well. On the other hand, the ‘08_Timpani’ uses keyswitches which I find confusing to use in this sample. I generally stick by what is easiest and what works best for me whether it be using a different library or a different sample within that library; or using a combination of libraries; or stacking patches one atop another, for example a violin ensemble with a solo violin on the same track. If I don’t like the ‘attack’ given a certain note with the accent mark I’ll double that note in voice 2 to give it the extra emphasis that an accent doesn’t provide. I have lots of little tricks and cheats that I've discovered over the years. Overture is wonderfully versatile in this regard and accommodates my workflow quite nicely.

In most of the libraries that I own I find that the timpani is sadly anemic. ASO isn’t too bad though and I voiced that opinion in a post from about the time that ASO was released - actually I think I mentioned the guitar patch too (very nice BTW).

I apologize for digressing (something I tend to do nowadays).


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 Post subject: Re: Timp Rolls
PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:45 am 
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I have aso used the "2 voices is better than one" approach to attacks... in GPO I could not get much clarity and oomph from the timpani unless I did that.
Interesting that the ASO "hits and rolls" works better.. I will try it.
Thanks again.


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