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Author:  Raymond63 [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Friends, citizens, countrymen, lend me your time;
I come to present VSL, not to praise it.
The work that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interrèd with their bones.
So let it be with Overture. The noble Raymond
Hath told you Overture was enormous.
If it were so, it was an understatement,
And faithfully hath Tatsu answered it [1].
Here under leave of you'all and the rest
(For Raymond is an honorable man;
So are they all, all honorable men),
Come I to speak of Vienna's usage,
It becomes my friend, faithful and not only just to me.
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Observations:

Overture doesn't always do the job as expected. The value settings of the Modwheel (CC1) in the next picture are completely useless (taken from the file Tatsu presented). It is there and only there and can't be found anywhere in the performance/playback. It just doesn't do it. See the entries with Articulation name=....../ctrlValue...ctrlNum....


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I loaded Vienna Instruments a couple of times in the score. Each has its own instrument. I have 4 of them (originally 5, but I restricted the example to a quartet instead of a quintet). The mechanism is just the same as with PLAY, ARIA or whatever you use. Put the .dll in the folder where everything else resides (Set Folder...). I loaded in the Matrix View of Vienna Instruments (abbr. VI): solo violin + / solo violin + / solo viola + / solo cello + . Each in their own VI-instance.
As usual I assigned the tracks - at Track Property - to those VI-instances. Everything as usual as with PLAY or ARIA.

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Put those xml files into Program Files (86) / GenieSoft / Overture 4 / VSTdevices before you do the above:

https://www.box.com/s/40lv2zbksmaajgl13u6o - Vienna Ensemble, not really necessary, but for the future
https://www.box.com/s/27cphi51zhgspky7w594 - Vienna Instruments
https://www.box.com/s/26j1b4rn1pj922pqz0oq - Solo strings extended
https://www.box.com/s/dtfuyajv1dj7itpexsyo - VSL Solo Strings I standard (the backbone of it all)

For only my ease of using Overture I have my own Expressions Lib:
https://www.box.com/s/7bxf0sghcdlzp24y7jli - put this in the right place (Libraries)

Here is the score:
https://www.box.com/s/654zl1w1cqa50idouajs (while loading you will get some errors, because of the fact that I am using different directories and file assignments than you). The scores in pdf format: https://www.box.com/s/o8kumnx4g5h9xyysq4bh

For the individual recorded instruments:
Violin 1: https://www.box.com/s/abbl4bpfw8pngapalgsn
Violin 2: https://www.box.com/s/zl8ul0hzr5kj555r1e1v
Viola : https://www.box.com/s/rers1w9rx5mts5w4vyin
Cello: https://www.box.com/s/ly0vmwxrdga4z1f26ik6

All together: https://www.box.com/s/aepmgtupapkz7jiepsqh

I agree with you that a lot must be done to make this piece really shine. I am not that far and familiar with all the controls in VI, see the picture below:

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Another observation:
the only place where you get all voices set, with all controls is here:

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Warning: always set Modwheel to the value, because the Y-axis at the VI-box (Matrix) has three levels. I configured them as 0-24 for the Y1, 40 or higher for the Y2 and 120 or higher for the Y3. When you forget to set Modwheel back to zero, after having it used as e.g. KS=D1/Y=40 --> sus/tremXF and applying it to e.g. legato (D1) you will get D1-portamento. See Vienna Instruments picture above.

Hopefully, this is all clear to you, success!!!
And let us bury Ceasar, not Raymond beacuse he and Tatsu are honourable men......

I am responsible for any error, but don't accept any claims. Satisfied with this, let me download some reward, e.g. Jack Daniels, Johnny Walker, ...... :mrgreen:

Raymond

Author:  Bill Reed [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Go for that bottle of Johnny Blue!

I think you have things in the wrong order, and perhaps that's why CC1 isn't working. Shouldn't it be:

<Articulation name="Marcato" keySwitch="C#1" ctrlNum="1" ctrlValue="96" />

With the CC number first, followed by the CC value?

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Bill Reed wrote:
Go for that bottle of Johnny Blue!

I think you have things in the wrong order, and perhaps that's why CC1 isn't working. Shouldn't it be:

<Articulation name="Marcato" keySwitch="C#1" ctrlNum="1" ctrlValue="96" />

With the CC number first, followed by the CC value?


I will try this, Bill. But the example you see is taken from the Tatsu file (which he uploaded for us, some threads ago), not mine. I left them out completely, because it was not working anyway.

Raymond

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Sorry, it doesn't work. Any help will be appreciated, even when you tell me that this some bug in Overture.

Raymond

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

While working with Vienna Instruments, I've found that adding CC10 (pan) wasn't working and that the pan settings in the Track LIst didn't work either. I've found the reason why, see:

http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/288 ... spx#186808

Raymond

Author:  Tatsu Nagao [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Hi Raymond,

First of all, congratulations for your contribution for us. I'm not able to write an elagant poem but now I feel deep joy. I'm not sure what problem you have, but those "ctrlNum" and "ctrlValue" work here. For example, slur and staccato have the value 32.

Slur
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Staccato
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It seems that you are discussing about the expression "Sus". I think expressions except "pizz" and "arco" cannot automatically have the CC number and value assigned. You have to do manually on your scores.

By the way, I found a mistake when I got these screenshots. Keyswitch name has "amp;" in it. I must delete them.

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

The poem is from Julius Ceasar by Shakespeare, the famous monologue of Marc Anthony after Ceasar was murdered by Brutus. With a little of myself, of course.

I will have another look at the settings. By the way that &amp comes from using the ampersand, somewhere it adds the text amp together with it. I changed it therefor in a + plus sign.

By the way, the screenshot of that xml file, is in fact your file. Then, why did you enter ctrlValue and ctrlNum for pizz and arco, etc.. and now saying that this is not working? Some fatigueness? :)

Raymond
[on your screenshots I see the entry Use Voice.... is there some xml entry in where I can set this, just like ctrlValue...?]

Author:  Tatsu Nagao [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Raymond63 wrote:
The poem is from Julius Ceasar by Shakespeare, the famous monologue of Marc Anthony after Ceasar was murdered by Brutus. With a little of myself, of course.

I will have another look at the settings. By the way that &amp comes from using the ampersand, somewhere it adds the text amp together with it. I changed it therefor in a + plus sign.

By the way, the screenshot of that xml file, is in fact your file. Then, why did you enter ctrlValue and ctrlNum for pizz and arco, etc.. and now saying that this is not working? Some fatigueness? :)

Raymond
[on your screenshots I see the entry Use Voice.... is there some xml entry in where I can set this, just like ctrlValue...?]


Wow, I read Shakespeare in Japanese translation in my school days. Two years ago I bought a Kindle from US amazon, and will get Julius Ceasr from them.

I wrote the xml documents for default presets made by the Vienna. In the presets of Vienna solo strings, one keyswitch has multiple articulations, and I guess the same goes for VSE's presets. There are a set of normal pizzicato articulation and snap-pizzicato articulation, and that of legato and portamento. With CC #1 value, you are able to choose one articulation from the set when you're using the default presets.

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

I think I will search for another job. We must have different Overture versions....... or just gremlins?
I added a slur in bar 5. See, I expected the value 120 and the name of the controller....

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Raymond

Author:  Tatsu Nagao [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

I'm using Oveture 4.1.5 patch 5. Difficulty in writing xml is to find mistakes. They are often very tiny mistakes, and irritates xml writers. When I have time, I will look into your documents.

PS.
Did you select Patch/Instrument again at the Track Properties window after you changed the xml document? If you didn't, select another Patch and then select the original one, and click "Yes".

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Tatsu Nagao wrote:
........PS. Did you select Patch/Instrument again at the Track Properties window after you changed the xml document? If you didn't, select another Patch and then select the original one, and click "Yes".


This PS did the trick!!! Many thanks. Now I can edit the slur as you did.

Raymond

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

I uploaded a new xml file for Special Edition stuff as mentioned in this thread.

https://www.box.com/s/dtfuyajv1dj7itpexsyo

Things to remember:

When you amend an existing piece with this xml file, just do what Tatsu adviced and tell always YES to the question after having altered the Patch Instrument to get the defaults written in the xml file.
I now see the values set for the appropriate Controller.

Good luck and a very fine weekend,

Raymond

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Introducing Vienna Ensemble

Since I wasn't fully satisfied with only Vienna Instruments in the score, I tried doing Vienna Ensemble. With success.


    Just put the Vienna Ensemble dll file in the folder where you have all other plugins.
    Don't forget to copy the Vienna Ensemble xml file in Program Files (86)/Geniesoft/Overture.../VstDevices, thus where all other Vstdevices are situated.
    Call for Vienna Ensemble in the Instrument Rack and assign your instruments.
    There will appear a small window with some info about the Instances of VE, just click on the X (right top corner).
    You will also see Vienna Ensemble.

It is just the same as with SONAR. In Vienna Ensemble call for your instruments to load in Vienna Instruments.
At the left next to the ON (under the Instrument) you will see two squares. The first must be set to 1, as channel 1 is the output channel of Overture. The next to the right is the channel of the instrument in the TrackList.
Somewhere at the top lines you may see tiny sliders, pressing gives you the Trackview as in Sonar. Each track can be handled with panning. Do some experimenting yourself, please.

Have fun,

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Raymond

Author:  Raymond63 [ Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Hi folks,

what I've written in the previous reply is completely true. Tonight I tried this for an existing piece, but somehow I can't get it right, while the new testscore made me happy. The file has been formerly used by PLAY (EWQLSO solo strings), then I inserted Vienna Instruments (instead of PLAY). All went well so far, but when I wanted Vienna Ensemble take over the individual Vienna Instruments I only got very distorted notes on every track. Whatever I tried - or better to say, whatever I could think of - didn't work out. So for this existing piece I only use Vienna Instruments (until somebody comes up with a solution).

Raymond

Author:  Tatsu Nagao [ Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: XML for VSL - Special Edition V1 & V1 PLUS

Raymond63 wrote:
Hi folks,

All went well so far, but when I wanted Vienna Ensemble take over the individual Vienna Instruments I only got very distorted notes on every track. Whatever I tried - or better to say, whatever I could think of - didn't work out. So for this existing piece I only use Vienna Instruments (until somebody comes up with a solution).

Raymond


Open Vienna Ensemble (Service Interface) from the Instrument Rack, and select 1 or 0 buffer as Latency, the default is 2 buffers, though. It would solve the distortion problem. Now you look being on the final stage of a journey to beautiful Vienna. :)

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