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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:58 am 
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I was wondering if anyone here has experience in converting samples from a Kontakt library (.NKI) to a .wav or .aif format for use in other samplers.
After all this time, I still find reasons to be dismayed with NI products and this is one of them – using Kontakt with Rewire inside of Reason.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:19 am 
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I'm not aware of any sample player that can be ReWired directly...

There are several sample converters on the market: Extreme Sample Converter, Chicken Sys Translator, CDExtract, to name a few.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:59 am 
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I tried that CDXtract (OSX) but it did not work.
Extreme Sample Converter is Windows too.

I did try the Chicken system Translator and, though it is pretty good & not cheap, it can not convert "encrypted" samples, which completely sucks.

I may have to resort to running Kontakt 5 under ProTools with Rewire.

I absolutely hate dealing with NI products or encrypted samples since Kontakt is not an easily viable tool for me.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:54 pm 
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If the sample are encrypted, it would be illegal extract out the wav files...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:41 pm 
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Sure, Bill, that is why I will not use NI software or samples since I can't use them in the way I would want to use them.
This will be a one-off instance where Protools is already a part of the production chain, so I will use this ONE sample only.

Illegal, my ass . . .


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:14 am 
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Ahhh! We have a rebel (or a lawyer) in our midst.

Does this statement of legality include my 2000 MP3 (illegal?) music downloads from the now defunct Limewire?


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Hey Rob,

I feel you on the NI products...

Well...seeing how you mentioned Pro Tools...one way might be:

Load Kontakt as an instrument in Pro Tools
Play the sample and record it
Export/Bounce as .wav
Edit it and import it?

I'm only suggesting this because you said one sample...I'd imagine it being a nightmare trying to do so for an entire library lol.

I always thought there was a separate folder just for the wave files in the Kontakt folder hierarchy and also a way to "resave" to a new folder as .wav... but I haven't used their samples in a very long time. I'll try to go for a hunt and experiment later and if I can find something else out that might help you will post back.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:37 pm 
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Well, it is not an issue of money but rather an issue of technical constraints that do not help a project. Money I have but my patience is limited.

I have had a history with NI products being difficult to implement in a workflow so I try to stick with what I know works well (Overture, Reason, Protools, Cubase, etc.).

I will do exactly as Dean mentions, run Kontakt as an instrument in Protools and I think so long as I have a MIDI track for that sample, I should be able to put that in without physically performing the part all over.

I will fire the next SOB that brings me a project with NI Kontakt sample libraries too.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:07 am 
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I have researched a solution for running Kontakt player under Reason:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwDvUcYYpZk

This solves my problem since it fits into my workflow – no thanks to either Propellerheads or NI.
I needed at least Reason 7.0 which has support for MIDI i/o. I had version 4, thus I just updated Reason.


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I discovered that one can not export audio from Reason, using Kontakt, though apparently some have done so by installing two audio interfaces or in a worst case scenario, using something like Soundflower, which is buggy and not reliable.
It seems you can use an external midi device (Kontakt) within Reason but it will not record to audio!!

My critique and disdain for Native Instruments stands; their software is not supported or implemented very well nor is it designed to integrate into the professional workflow I use without extraordinary problem solving. I may spend money on sample libraries and commission some but I won't buy any that use Kontakt.

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> It seems you can use an external midi device (Kontakt) within Reason but it will not record to audio!!

What's surprising about that? It's true across the board, and has nothing to do with Kontakt...

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Bill Reed wrote:
> It seems you can use an external midi device (Kontakt) within Reason but it will not record to audio!!

What's surprising about that? It's true across the board, and has nothing to do with Kontakt...

Well, Reason has implemented "external MIDI device"s so that you can put them into a session and hear them BUT you can not render them to audio.

That is useless. This seems to be more a bad decision made by Propellerheads Software (IP bs?) than NI but, this still does not mitigate the wretched history I've had attempting to put Kontakt into my workflow. These companies need to reach a consensus about working together and quit with this nonsense.

It appears Overture 5 will allow me a solution to this problem – no thanks to NI or Propellerheads.


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