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 Post subject: Goodbye
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:35 am 
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Hi,

For the first time I’ll share a short composition I’ve made. It’s for strings only. Libraries I used is Cinematic studiostrings and Spitfire Symphonic lib. The composition’s name is Afscheid (Goodbye)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e9tip2kzbr8tfqa/Afscheid.mp3?dl=0

I never make use of box.com so I hope the link works :oops:

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Frieda


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 Post subject: Re: Goodbye
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:24 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Goodbye
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:46 am 
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Very nice Frieda!

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 Post subject: Re: Goodbye
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:57 pm 
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Bravo, Frieda! :-) Very good first piece here!
Just I suggest you to be careful with the development of the themes, counterpoint and enlarging/reducing of the instruments
within the orchestra.
About the themes:
There could be two good solutions:
1. To create melodic theme which can be easily followed by the listener.
When there is a counterpoint - very common technique is to make a canon to represent the main theme again.

2. Leit Motif you can have many theme which cannot be memorized, but in some part of the piece
you can develop nice easy to follow melody, even as variation of the previous themes...
/Hector Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique, most of the Richard Wagner's works, film music... etc./
Even in a chaos you can include some theme / Bernard Hermann - Vertigo/

These are some of my thoughts after listening to your piece. I hope they can be somehow helpful! :-)
I suppose you would like to get some constructive feedback from the community?!

Well, the music is mostly an art, then a theory... And many decision are matter of personal taste.
For example, I like melodies and harmony which has defined melody. To me the atonal music sounds like chaos.

Wish you success with the composition, and we are waiting for new pieces! :-)

Greetings :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Goodbye
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:01 pm 
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The quality of your music is way above my pay grade.

I really enjoyed the harmonies and textures . Given a longer piece (which I’m sure this is just a small snippet of) I’m thinking you will be developing a subtle melody that comes and goes sooner or later. I love the deep basses in the middle and at the very end, and your use of the full range of the string orchestra.

Actually, the more I listen to it the more I get out of it. I sure hope there’s more to this lovely sample; you’re doing yourself a disservice if there’s not.


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 Post subject: Re: Goodbye
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:00 am 
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Hi,

Thank you all for your reactions and advices. I really appreciate it.

I was just practicing with the use of CC1 and CC11 and this little composition was the result of it. I am purely assiociative when I write music and somehow I find it hard to go out from a structure like ABACA(or something liket that) or from a defined melody. I am only trying to build up a certain atmosphere. The disadvantage is that most of my pieces are short.
Sometimes I listen to the pieces again that I've made in the past. Most of them cannot pass the test of criticism but sometimes I take an old piece and trying to write it further.

Then there is a difficulty with mixing. I can only ues headphones because of certain circumstances. So I donot know how it sounds on speakerboxes.

So I got a lot to learn and hoping to get better.

Raymond, I think you donot have to register with dropbox you can close the window where you have to login and then hopefully you can listen to this little piece Afscheid.


Once again, thank you so much for your reactions. It means a lot to me.


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Frieda


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 Post subject: Re: Goodbye
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:21 am 
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You know, this is not a freestanding piece, it is part of some greater symphonic poem, as some sort of development.
Once said that, your choice of instruments is quite insteresting and "fits" my ears.


You wrote that you cannot switch from one melody/idea/motif to another, or at least not easily.
One remedy: listen to pianosonates of Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven. They all have a basic structure of the old sonata form.
Look what they did. Beethoven often starts with a very simple melody/motif and takes the notes to some other level, other tonica, other rhythm.

A very good technique is the crab method. Write down five notes (short melody) and then play them exactly backwards. Interchanghe that with the left and right hand. And modulate. Listen to Schubert, he modulates all the time.

Another is mirroring: look at the shape of the figure the note represent and change it mirroring the ledger lines.
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Warning. These are just simple examples. Play with that thought. Often you will see both back in pieces of Bach and others.

And then, nothing happens when you suddenly switch from one thought to another. It makes the piece interesting.
Use YouTube channels to learn more techniques.

Check this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0ib2EKHofc

He has more vids worth looking at.

Greetings
Raymond

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 Post subject: Re: Goodbye
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:13 am 
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Hi Raymond,

You gave me some very good advice, thank you for that. I already listened to Youtube video you gave in the link. It inspires me. I saw by the way there is in Overture a Composers tool with which for instance you can reverse rythm, pitches and so on. Nice to play with.
May I ask you, how you compose? Do you compose on calculation like Bach or more the way Mozart composed or somewhere in the middle as I understood in the Youtube video?

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Frieda


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 Post subject: Re: Goodbye
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:31 pm 
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Frieda wrote:
Hi Raymond,
May I ask you, how you compose? Do you compose on calculation like Bach or more the way Mozart composed or somewhere in the middle as I understood in the Youtube video?


This question I cannot answer. I never do any calculation and the way Mozart did it, is just a subject for many, many books. Let us say I do it a bit like Beethoven (sorry, Ludwig).

As with Stravinsky answering the question : "what do you do when not having any inspiration? , I just sit and wait until it is there.
He was right. Inspiration cannot being called for. Days come and go without any musical inspiration at all. And then when the mind is empty, sitting in the bus or any other public transport, somebody starts to mumble a song, or you hear a ringtone, or whatever you hear. Getting home you immediately write this down. NOT TRUE. Let it sit there and one day you have cooked the whole lot (mostly you are unaware of it) --- and then on a rainy morning start out the first sketches with pen and paper (in words also e.g.: i want to tell folks, that this C-minor is rather annoying me, time to modulate to A major). Be brief, just notate the idea. If possible also write down the next idea, because any new idea is always a child of the first one. We gathered four or five ideas and have some roughly thoughts of how it must sound.


And now the most important thing, as we aren't Mozart or Rachmaninoff (he also wrote down right from his memorized ideas), start simple. I always think of it as the childrens drawing of a man.

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Next is to begin filling in the fingers, the arms, the rest of it to YOUR wishes. Here, I cannot help you, except that you have to learn what is possible, how Mozart did things, Beethoven, Prokofiev, what musical "figure" sounds so good and can be applied in your own composition. DON't DO TOO MUCH, a simple melody-line is enough. Let it rest for a day or two and when it still satisfies you, go on working with the rest. I am sure that after having input notes for several hours, you will destroy the whole lot. Do it with joy, but secretly keep the notes somewhere, because the initial idea wasn't that bad after all, and with some alterations, re-usable again. I've seen some scores of Beethoven, filled with remarks, corrections. Only Mozart could write it down without any corrections (I don't believe that).

Many composers had composing lessons, which included the study of scores.
I advice you to do the same, listen to and read at the same time e.g. the sonatas of Beethoven.

They are on Youtube.
Choose Audio + Score, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my9yp4f1lPQ

This guy Ashish..... did all 32 Beethoven sonates. He also compares several pianists, for the same piece. Of course, and obvious don't listen to all interpretations, you will end hating Beethoven.
And so on, Haydn Sonatas, Mozart Sonatas, Prokofiev too. All with score, a wealth of knowledge.

So far enough,

Greetings and enjoy Christmas and New years eve.

Raymond

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