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 Post subject: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:53 am 
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Hi,
the Grand Piano isn't bad at all. But it has a bug: When using a continuous controller sustain pedal, you get ugly noises by releasing the pedal. This doesn't appear with a simple on/off pedal.


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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:26 am 
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Hi Don,
will this be fixed sometimes?
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Johannes


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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:27 pm 
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When using a continuous controller sustain pedal, you get ugly noises by releasing the pedal.

I don't experience that at all when playing the GP through Kontact 6. Did you try the suggestion in my 1/4/2019 post?

That helped me, but I'm still getting some distortion with the GP in faster, more complicated passages. Overall not bad, but not acceptable for live performance. Then again, I didn't buy Amadeus for live performing with the GP.

The GP takes a lot of memory compared with the other Amadeus instruments, so maybe that's part of the issue. Maybe it's my aging laptop with its paltry 4GB, I don't know.

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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:20 pm 
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You should not use a continuous controller with pianos.
Use a sustain pedal.

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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:21 am 
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Hi Don,
it is a sustain pedal, but for half pedaling. So it has to be able to send continuous data. And it works with all my other libraries. It can't be a big deal to fix this bug, I think.

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Johannes


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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:23 pm 
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I have a couple of questions about how you are accomplishing half-pedalling-
1. What pedal are you using?
2. How are you plugging it in? Most keyboards use a simple switch for sustain ( I assume that the sustain pedal input jack is looking for a simple switch), so are you using a different input? A continuous controller input?

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-TC


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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:28 pm 
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Is this the Tracy Collins I think it is? The one of ASO fame?


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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:41 pm 
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Merv wrote:
Is this the Tracy Collins I think it is? The one of ASO fame?

Merv hello,
Yes, this is Tracy Collins. :-) The genius mind behind the programming of ASO. :-)
Still I'm not an ASO user. I prefer to wait at least until the next update, or expansion of the library
with more articulations and effects.
But still, I would like to Thank you, Tracy for the hard work! :-)

Greetings :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:45 am 
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Well, if this is his first post I think a warm welcome should be the first order of the day. I have so many questions… :)


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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:25 am 
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tcollins wrote:
I have a couple of questions about how you are accomplishing half-pedalling-
1. What pedal are you using?
2. How are you plugging it in? Most keyboards use a simple switch for sustain ( I assume that the sustain pedal input jack is looking for a simple switch), so are you using a different input? A continuous controller input?

Thanks
-TC


I'm not the OP, but can answer your questions...

If you look at modern digital pianos, they almost all have some type of progressive pedal for partial pedaling techniques. For instance, the Kawai VPC1 uses the F-30 triple pedal and it has a progressive sustain pedal. These aren't full continuous controllers as they only support a subset of the granularity. Most other Kawai digital pianos also have similar features. Other popular DPs also support this (e.g., Yamaha and Roland for instance).

Also, many sampled and modeled piano VSTs include partial pedaling features. Notably Garritan CFX, VSL Synchron Pianos, and Pianoteq are three of the more popular VSTs and they all include this feature.

If you look around in the Pianoworld digital forum, you'll find it is assumed that any new products must include partial pedaling for sustain.


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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:38 pm 
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Thank-you for the answers, and for the warm welcome!
I've been watching some YT videos about half-pedaling, but I'll probably have to run down to a music store to experiment on a real piano to understand how to translate this into something that works on the ASO piano.

I've played almost all my life, but never even knew about this. Never too late, I guess.
-TC


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 Post subject: Re: Grand Piano Problem
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:35 am 
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Thanks for your reply, dbudde! I couldn't have answered it better.
I use the Kawai F-30 with VPC1 and SL88Grand from Studiologic. A lot of my VSTi-Pianos can handle half-pedaling.
Thanks Tracy Collins for looking into this issue!


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